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Award-winning social advocate Yassmin Abdel-Magied explores everything from big tech to unconscious bias. Her searching new essay collection Talking About a Revolution shares the challenges and grief around her activism and leaving Australia. Speaking live via video in her first Australian event ahead of its release, she shares insights into how notions of justice and transformative change are evolving, as well as the adversity faced by a younger generation of activists urged to work towards empowerment rather than power. Yassmin is in conversation with Sisonke Msimang.