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With more people displaced around the world today than in any other time in modern history, what role can literature play in bringing issues of flight, expulsion and migration to the forefront? In this podcast, "Europe's outstanding literary seer" (The Guardian) and Go, Went, Gone author Jenny Erpenbeck, who spent twelve months documenting the experiences of refugees in Berlin, and translator of Behrouz Boochani's award-winning No Friend but the Mountains Omid Tofighian discuss stories of nationhood and statelessness with human rights and refugee advocate Julian Burnside QC.