It's hard to imagine two figures with a bigger impact on the cultural and intellectual understanding of contemporary Australia than Marcia Langton and Julianne Schultz. The two professors are unparalleled when it comes to analysis, engagement and understanding of our public and political sphere. As a journalist, editor, academic and writer, Julianne's influence and insights have been considerable and her new book The Idea of Australia: A search for the soul of the nation is nothing less than a manifesto for how we might regard the great myths of national identity that underpin our society. Marcia's academic reputation, policy commitment and various roles as a prominent public intellectual have included a celebrated contribution to the Boyer Lectures and the groundbreaking Welcome to Country: A Travel Guide to Indigenous Australia. The two join Clare Wright to discuss the potential, the disappointments and the state of the nation.