With a leader who says he was called by God to be Prime Minister, and recent debate over a new religious freedoms bill, the separation of church and state in Australia is murkier than ever. What roles do faith and religion play in the leadership, governance and decision-making of our political figures? Can the messages of charity and kindness in scripture benefit the country – or are we on a path to a more puritanical society? Interfaith Minister and author of Intimacy and Solitude and Seeking the Sacred, Stephanie Dowrick and journalist and author of Beyond Belief, Elle Hardy discuss with senior journalist Tom Tilley.