The new books from acclaimed journalists Antoinette Lattouf (How to Lose Friends and Influence White People) and Amy Remeikis (On Reckoning) each draw on their personal and professional insights into challenging structural power. They come together to discuss their work: Antoinette on how to make a difference when championing change and racial equality with witty yet confronting analysis of how to prepare for the popularity contest you’ll lose; and Amy on her investigation into the fallout of allegations of sexual assault in Parliament, and the power and potential of anger and non-conformity in the face of injustice. They appear in conversation with Ellen Fanning.