The Ratline: Love, Lies and Justice on the Trail of a Nazi Fugitive is the exhilarating follow-up to the bestselling East West Street from Philippe Sands, who sets out to uncover what happened to Nazi fugitive Otto von Wächter. Philippe – a professor of law and practising barrister who has worked on international cases involving Pinochet, Yugoslavia and Rwanda – sits down with Martin Krygier to discuss this page-turning detective story, which encompasses a mysterious death, spies, Nazi hunters, dark forces within the Vatican and a son grappling with his father’s sins.

Philippe Sands (International)

Philippe Sands

Philippe Sands QC is Professor of Law at University College London and a practising barrister. He is author of Lawless World and Torture Team and numerous academic books. His last book, East West Street won numerous prizes, including the Baillie Gifford Prize and the Prix Montaigne. His new book is The Ratline: Love, Lies and Justice on the Trail of a Nazi Fugitive, follows a 10-part BBC podcast and radio series. He is President of English PEN and a member of the Board of the Hay Festival.

Martin Krygier (Australian)

Martin Krygier

Martin Krygier is Gordon Samuels Professor of Law and Social Theory, UNSW. His writings are generally concerned with exploring the moral characters and consequences of public institutions. A particular focus of his research is institutional and social development after dictatorship and conflict. He has written extensively on the nature of the rule of law, and on attempts to promote it worldwide. In 2016 he was awarded the Dennis Leslie Mahoney Prize in Legal Theory. In 2020 he was made a Member of the Order of Australia.